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First, suck it Pasha, Feds91Stammer, digitalbath, and Oilhorse.

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Niceeee, Now just trade any of Kindl, Ericsson or Quincey and we'll be all set. I like Quincey the most out of those. It seems he's grown a bit in the past season or two. Kindl always seemed to pick up points when he entered the lineup. I guess Ericsson is the odd man out in my book. If he was a 5 or 6 dman i'd be fine with the guy. Given the guys we have, I wouldn't mind seeing.

Kronwall-Marchenko
Dekeyser-Quincey
Ericsson( or Smith ) - Green

That leaves no room for Smith or Ouellet or Kindl, but I'd like to see this combo. I love the idea of Kronwall and Green on the top line but our offence has been relatively potent. and having him down on the third pairing could help spread the offense out.

What would you guys want back if we traded one or more of our Defenseman?? I think our big club is pretty well stocked. I'd love to upgrade our D, but we seem to be in a position where we need to just get rid of one of them. I doubt any team would trade us 1 better Dman for 2 lesser ones, but that'd be my ideal trade. If that's not possible, i'd like to see them traded for picks or prospects, just to keep the big red wheel spinning down the road. Our offence and goaltending is as good as it's been in years, so if we can't upgrade the D, upgrade the future.

Niceeee, Now just trade any of Kindl, Ericsson or Quincey and we'll be all set. I like Quincey the most out of those. It seems he's grown a bit in the past season or two. Kindl always seemed to pick up points when he entered the lineup. I guess Ericsson is the odd man out in my book. If he was a 5 or 6 dman i'd be fine with the guy. Given the guys we have, I wouldn't mind seeing.

Kronwall-Marchenko
Dekeyser-Quincey
Ericsson( or Smith ) - Green

That leaves no room for Smith or Ouellet or Kindl, but I'd like to see this combo. I love the idea of Kronwall and Green on the top line but our offence has been relatively potent. and having him down on the third pairing could help spread the offense out.

What would you guys want back if we traded one or more of our Defenseman?? I think our big club is pretty well stocked. I'd love to upgrade our D, but we seem to be in a position where we need to just get rid of one of them. I doubt any team would trade us 1 better Dman for 2 lesser ones, but that'd be my ideal trade. If that's not possible, i'd like to see them traded for picks or prospects, just to keep the big red wheel spinning down the road. Our offence and goaltending is as good as it's been in years, so if we can't upgrade the D, upgrade the future.
- Paul_and_Wings

Ericsson for a 5th, Kindl for a 6th, Ouellet/Jurco/Nyquist/2 1sts for Doughty

Ericsson for a 5th, Kindl for a 6th, Ouellet/Jurco/Nyquist/2 1sts for Doughty
- TokenBlack

Done, I'd add 2 more firsts.

Done, I'd add 2 more firsts.
- Paul_and_Wings

(frank) yeah. Or for Josi.

Edit: I can't believe that Roman Josi has been in 78 international competition games by the age of 25.

You guys need to bring in a vet like Zubrus to show Jurco the ropes.

Niceeee, Now just trade any of Kindl, Ericsson or Quincey and we'll be all set. I like Quincey the most out of those. It seems he's grown a bit in the past season or two. Kindl always seemed to pick up points when he entered the lineup. I guess Ericsson is the odd man out in my book. If he was a 5 or 6 dman i'd be fine with the guy. Given the guys we have, I wouldn't mind seeing.

Kronwall-Marchenko
Dekeyser-Quincey
Ericsson( or Smith ) - Green

That leaves no room for Smith or Ouellet or Kindl, but I'd like to see this combo. I love the idea of Kronwall and Green on the top line but our offence has been relatively potent. and having him down on the third pairing could help spread the offense out.

What would you guys want back if we traded one or more of our Defenseman?? I think our big club is pretty well stocked. I'd love to upgrade our D, but we seem to be in a position where we need to just get rid of one of them. I doubt any team would trade us 1 better Dman for 2 lesser ones, but that'd be my ideal trade. If that's not possible, i'd like to see them traded for picks or prospects, just to keep the big red wheel spinning down the road. Our offence and goaltending is as good as it's been in years, so if we can't upgrade the D, upgrade the future.
- Paul_and_Wings

Im right with you on the Ericsson trade lol ... guy is not a top pair Dman imo. Its hard to say what they should do because they basically just need roster space and cant really afford to take anyone back. Nyquist is the one guy with value I'd trade but he just resigned so idk how likely that is. I love the kid but he seems to really play his size and not be able to fight through being small especially in the playoffs. I would love to trade:

Nyquist, Ericsson, Kindl for Nash (or someone of the sorts, maybe Eberle)

Both of those forwards would be an upgrade to me and we would also clear out some roster space on the back end. If they wanted they could throw a one year deal at a guy like Ehrhoff, low risk/high reward kinda deal. I dont really agree with you D pairing though.. I understand spreading out the points but putting a guy like Green out there for 10 mins a game is a waste to me.

Tats-Pav-Abby
Z-Rich-Nash(Eberle etc)
Helm-Shea-Jurco
Pulkinen-Glen-Ferarro

I dont see any room for miller as his only value is PK now and Shea,Glen,Helm,Ferarro should be fine

Kronwall-DD
Marchenko-Green
Quincey-Smith

Switch Marchenko and Q if you like lol either way thats what I would be happy with! lol Feel free to share your opinion this is just me brainstorming so dont freak out

Trying to reply to HockeyStyleMelt

I would love to see a trade like that occur. I don't want to see anyone go, but I agree Nyquist would be the one. I'd rather trade Jurco or Pulky, but their value isn't high enough to bring in a bonafide top 6 guy.

I don't like having two lefties or two righties on the D pairs. At least not on the top 4. Maybe it's just me, but when we didn't have a single RD, save Ericsson, and no right handers, I got sick of watching teams plan their breakout on the right side and us not be able to do too much about it.

I could see that with Green, but He'd be our PP specialist. He'd get a few minutes of PP every game pretty much. And it'd limit his hard minutes so he'd stay healthy. I could see

Kronwall - Marchy
DD - Green
Smith - Ouellet/Q

Ouellet/Q to swap out if anyone is slumping or injured. Then hopefully get rid of Kindl and Big E.

As for the forward lines, I think at least switch Pulk and Jurco. This is a big year for both of them, that's why I think they will rotate being in the top 6 unless one of them blows up and sticks. That's also why we won't see a blockbuster for a top 6 RW. Holland is good, but hesitant to make big trades.

I'm still waiting for him to do something other than skate around on the ice, every game.....

I'm still waiting for him to do something other than skate around on the ice, every game.....
- Hockeytown4life

Jurco needs to prove himself this year and next. Hopefully with a change of coach, Blash will play him in the right manner. He needs to use his size, skating and puck skills better.

Im right with you on the Ericsson trade lol ... guy is not a top pair Dman imo. Its hard to say what they should do because they basically just need roster space and cant really afford to take anyone back. Nyquist is the one guy with value I'd trade but he just resigned so idk how likely that is. I love the kid but he seems to really play his size and not be able to fight through being small especially in the playoffs. I would love to trade:

Nyquist, Ericsson, Kindl for Nash (or someone of the sorts, maybe Eberle)

Both of those forwards would be an upgrade to me and we would also clear out some roster space on the back end. If they wanted they could throw a one year deal at a guy like Ehrhoff, low risk/high reward kinda deal. I dont really agree with you D pairing though.. I understand spreading out the points but putting a guy like Green out there for 10 mins a game is a waste to me.

Tats-Pav-Abby
Z-Rich-Nash(Eberle etc)
Helm-Shea-Jurco
Pulkinen-Glen-Ferarro

I dont see any room for miller as his only value is PK now and Shea,Glen,Helm,Ferarro should be fine

Kronwall-DD
Marchenko-Green
Quincey-Smith

Switch Marchenko and Q if you like lol either way thats what I would be happy with! lol Feel free to share your opinion this is just me brainstorming so dont freak out

- HomestyleMelt

although i like the enthusiasm, there is 0 chance a trade like this would work. It would require a huge over payment, Ericsson and Kindl are both dump trades and nyquist although good, would never be enough to grab nash or eberle.

although i like the enthusiasm, there is 0 chance a trade like this would work. It would require a huge over payment, Ericsson and Kindl are both dump trades and nyquist although good, would never be enough to grab nash or eberle.
- digitalbath

I agree, how do you think a first would effect the deal? I think it'd be close at that point. Maybe swap Ericsson or Kindl for Smith and it'd be a deal?

Smith, Ericsson, Nyquist, 1st

Nash ( Eberle, etc...) and a 4th maybe 3rd?

I agree, how do you think a first would effect the deal? I think it'd be close at that point. Maybe swap Ericsson or Kindl for Smith and it'd be a deal?

Smith, Ericsson, Nyquist, 1st

Nash ( Eberle, etc...) and a 4th maybe 3rd?
- Paul_and_Wings

although i like the idea of doing a package deal to upgrade, i think the more realistic option would be kindl for a 3rd or something like that just to clear a roster spot

Not in this specific order but

Kron - Green
Quincey - DD
Ericsson - XO/March (whoever they decide to start)

If thats not what works, and they do want to do a package deal, i would say Nyquist ericsson, axel holmstrom and a 1st for someone like hedman, which yes i know youll say "NO WAY THEY TRADE HIM" ... but to be honest they may not be able to afford him unless they free up A LOT of cap space..

but ok, lets play "no way we could get hedman" cause realistically, probably we couldnt.

who else would be a realistic upgrade on D, i dont think we need nash as much as some people want/think. We need a D upgrade, Green helps, but we need to replace E or Kindl with someone better.

What i wouldnt mind seeing is trading Kindl for a 3rd, and ericsson for a prospect of decent value, and then signing franson whos still available to something like a 2 year 5 AVA contract.

that would then be

Kron - Green
DD - Franson
Quincey - XO/March

which i think thats a super solid D corps and with Howie/Mrazek instead of Gus,

If Z and Dats perform (obviously when Dats gets back)

that to me would prevent us from giving up too much and still staying very competitive

although i like the idea of doing a package deal to upgrade, i think the more realistic option would be kindl for a 3rd or something like that just to clear a roster spot

Not in this specific order but

Kron - Green
Quincey - DD
Ericsson - XO/March (whoever they decide to start)

If thats not what works, and they do want to do a package deal, i would say Nyquist ericsson, axel holmstrom and a 1st for someone like hedman, which yes i know youll say "NO WAY THEY TRADE HIM" ... but to be honest they may not be able to afford him unless they free up A LOT of cap space..

but ok, lets play "no way we could get hedman" cause realistically, probably we couldnt.

who else would be a realistic upgrade on D, i dont think we need nash as much as some people want/think. We need a D upgrade, Green helps, but we need to replace E or Kindl with someone better.

What i wouldnt mind seeing is trading Kindl for a 3rd, and ericsson for a prospect of decent value, and then signing franson whos still available to something like a 2 year 5 AVA contract.

that would then be

Kron - Green
DD - Franson
Quincey - XO/March

which i think thats a super solid D corps and with Howie/Mrazek instead of Gus,

If Z and Dats perform (obviously when Dats gets back)

that to me would prevent us from giving up too much and still staying very competitive
- digitalbath

All of that while forgetting Smith. I think he'll be a lot better under Blash and now that he's taken some time to get used to the big game. Just shows how we have WAY too many Dmen. And ony 2, maybe 3 that belong in the top 4.

Also, I agree that that is a more realistic option. I Just like spitballing ideas. But Holland won't make any sort of "big" deal until the team's fate, or his job is on the line. It seems he's scared. But i'm kind of okay with that because he hasn't really failed us yet. I'd rather he seem scared, than overpay for someone who won't preform. Like Weiss, but that was Babcock's idea...

I don't like Franson as much as most people. I have only seen maybe 7 or 8 games he was in, but I don't think his production is worth anything over 3 or 4 million for 1 or 2 years. Maybe i'm wrong though, I don't know all that much about him.

I'd like to trade for an elite Dman, but nobody is in a position to trade them. Maybe SJ if they go for a full rebuild in a year. Then I'd LOVE to get Burns. Other than that just let the kids play and get rid of E and Kindl. OUellet and Marchenko need to each get 40 games this year, I think.

All of that while forgetting Smith. I think he'll be a lot better under Blash and now that he's taken some time to get used to the big game. Just shows how we have WAY too many Dmen. And ony 2, maybe 3 that belong in the top 4.

Also, I agree that that is a more realistic option. I Just like spitballing ideas. But Holland won't make any sort of "big" deal until the team's fate, or his job is on the line. It seems he's scared. But i'm kind of okay with that because he hasn't really failed us yet. I'd rather he seem scared, than overpay for someone who won't preform. Like Weiss, but that was Babcock's idea...

I don't like Franson as much as most people. I have only seen maybe 7 or 8 games he was in, but I don't think his production is worth anything over 3 or 4 million for 1 or 2 years. Maybe i'm wrong though, I don't know all that much about him.

I'd like to trade for an elite Dman, but nobody is in a position to trade them. Maybe SJ if they go for a full rebuild in a year. Then I'd LOVE to get Burns. Other than that just let the kids play and get rid of E and Kindl. OUellet and Marchenko need to each get 40 games this year, I think.
- Paul_and_Wings

i did forget about smith! hahaha, but really we would need 7 D men, because some one is basically always going to be injured.

I realize these trades aren't likely haha like I said it's just what I would like to see...obviously there would need to be tweaks I'm just giving my rough outline. I do agree that my dpairs can be fixed to allow a RH and LH in top 4 although the it seems more important to have that on the PP.

I'm not big on Franson after his play in Nashville so it's tough. Unfortunately the least exciting option is like the best. As someone said Kindl for a third would be the most likely. Unfortunately idk if pulks is gonna make the NHL he seems like he's having a hard time finding space for his shot. I also have a hard time seeing Q on the fourth line for 4mil but that's just me. I would love to see Eberle because he's RH and an upgrade over Nyquist IMO. i think they will have to move someone so that's why I think we could entice them to move eberle especially since nyquist has a contract now. I just have a hard time putting Marchy or green on the top line even though they are RH. The ideal situation would be getting rid of ericsson lol

What about trading ericsson, smith, nyquist and Oulette for eberle (and a pick maybe) then pickings up someone lik Ehrhoff would give us an upgrade over ericsson and also clear a d spot for marchy/sproul

I realize these trades aren't likely haha like I said it's just what I would like to see...obviously there would need to be tweaks I'm just giving my rough outline. I do agree that my dpairs can be fixed to allow a RH and LH in top 4 although the it seems more important to have that on the PP.

I'm not big on Franson after his play in Nashville so it's tough. Unfortunately the least exciting option is like the best. As someone said Kindl for a third would be the most likely. Unfortunately idk if pulks is gonna make the NHL he seems like he's having a hard time finding space for his shot. I also have a hard time seeing Q on the fourth line for 4mil but that's just me. I would love to see Eberle because he's RH and an upgrade over Nyquist IMO. i think they will have to move someone so that's why I think we could entice them to move eberle especially since nyquist has a contract now. I just have a hard time putting Marchy or green on the top line even though they are RH. The ideal situation would be getting rid of ericsson lol

What about trading ericsson, smith, nyquist and Oulette for eberle (and a pick maybe) then pickings up someone lik Ehrhoff would give us an upgrade over ericsson and also clear a d spot for marchy/sproul
- HomestyleMelt

Ericsson, Smith, Nyquist, and Oulette are a massive over payment for Eberle. You're giving the Oilers three top 6 defenseman (albeit 4-6 guys) and a top 6 forward.

I get that we need to move a couple of players but we don't need to do it in a way that hurts the team moving forward.

Nyquist for Eberle would be a close trade (the Wings would need to throw in a prospect or draft pick). Add in the other three and the Oilers would laugh as they fleeced the Wings.

Trying to shed some D I would guess the Wings are trying to move Kindl and Quincey. Quincey because he only has one year left on his contract and Kindl because he's been the odd man out for over a year now.

While I know most Wings fans would love to see Ericsson go it just isn't going to happen. The Wings seem to love the guy. He plays top 2 minutes and is out there for every PK. He's a big body who has gotten slightly better over the years but is in no way a top 2 guy. I could see him as a decent option as a #4 but not a true 2.

I can't see Smith going anywhere because they just gave him a new contract. Oulette and Marchenko should both stay with the team this year to show what they can do.

2015-16 D Pairings
Kronwall-Ericsson
DeKeyser-Green
Smith-Marchenko/Oulette

In a perfect world it's Ericsson who is gone but I just don't see KH making that happen.

Now, what does everybody think the D could get in a trade?

Ericsson (5 yrs @ 4.25 M)
Kindl (2 yrs @ 2.4 M)
Smith (2 yrs @ 2.75 M)
Quincey (1 yr @ 4.25 M)
Oulette (1 yr @ 670 K)
Marchenko (1 yr @ 666 K)

Trying to shed some D I would guess the Wings are trying to move Kindl and Quincey. Quincey because he only has one year left on his contract and Kindl because he's been the odd man out for over a year now.

While I know most Wings fans would love to see Ericsson go it just isn't going to happen. The Wings seem to love the guy. He plays top 2 minutes and is out there for every PK. He's a big body who has gotten slightly better over the years but is in no way a top 2 guy. I could see him as a decent option as a #4 but not a true 2.

I can't see Smith going anywhere because they just gave him a new contract. Oulette and Marchenko should both stay with the team this year to show what they can do.

2015-16 D Pairings
Kronwall-Ericsson
DeKeyser-Green
Smith-Marchenko/Oulette

In a perfect world it's Ericsson who is gone but I just don't see KH making that happen.

Now, what does everybody think the D could get in a trade?

Ericsson (5 yrs @ 4.25 M)
Kindl (2 yrs @ 2.4 M)
Smith (2 yrs @ 2.75 M)
Quincey (1 yr @ 4.25 M)
Oulette (1 yr @ 670 K)
Marchenko (1 yr @ 666 K)
- RedDog18

while most of what you say i agree with. I dont agree with the ericsson comment. He may be a "big body" but he doesnt use it. Hes soft, thats my problem with him, hes not a skill guy nor is he a physical guy, so to me he seems over paid, i dont hate him at all, but for what hes paid i expect a little more out of him

while most of what you say i agree with. I dont agree with the ericsson comment. He may be a "big body" but he doesnt use it. Hes soft, thats my problem with him, hes not a skill guy nor is he a physical guy, so to me he seems over paid, i dont hate him at all, but for what hes paid i expect a little more out of him
- digitalbath

My use of the term "big body" doesn't mean he's a physical presence. He's a big body that takes up more space and with his size is able to keep players further away in a "gap" sense. He uses this to help him kill penalties but that's about it.

Like you, I'm not a huge fan of him and agree he could be slightly overpaid. The only thing making his salary look reasonable is the fact that he plays top 2 minutes.

My use of the term "big body" doesn't mean he's a physical presence. He's a big body that takes up more space and with his size is able to keep players further away in a "gap" sense. He uses this to help him kill penalties but that's about it.

Like you, I'm not a huge fan of him and agree he could be slightly overpaid. The only thing making his salary look reasonable is the fact that he plays top 2 minutes.
- RedDog18

I guess if you think of it that way, its not awful

i always think we should trade these guys and then pay franson or ehrhoff, but the truth is, any team willing to take on Kindl or ericsson, probably would just try and pay franson or erhoff themselves? so it wouldnt work

I guess if you think of it that way, its not awful

i always think we should trade these guys and then pay franson or ehrhoff, but the truth is, any team willing to take on Kindl or ericsson, probably would just try and pay franson or erhoff themselves? so it wouldnt work
- digitalbath

There's a reason Franson and Erhoff are still available...

First off thank you guys for putting in some solid dialog here! I always enjoy talking hockey so it's nice to talk to some other Wings fans even if its just speculation or our personal preferences. I do agree with RedDog that all those players would be an over payments for Eberle. I was more implying that those are the bodies I would be willing to part with for a player of his skill. The deal would likely involve more from their end to make it a deal, perhaps a draft pick and a prospect so that was we still clear roster space.

I have just always loved that idea because Edmonton has too many of the same players and eventually their cap will eat them up. They also desperately need help on the back end. Eberle is also RH which is just a bonus because he would be a sweet player to have....anyways moving on

I agree with others that Ericsson likely wont be moved....which is unfortunate to me because I'm not really sure what they see in him. Maybe its more the fact they haven't been convinced anyone is ready for top 2 minutes? Or perhaps that they are worried about putting him with anyone other than Kronwall? It's hard to say really thats what makes this year so interesting...there is less "Babcock World" and more KH and Blashill and it will be interesting to see if there was any favoritism that we seemed to notice (Glendening) -- Although I will admit I'm likeing Glen much more than I initially did lol ....

Okay lets talk about this....Out of Marchenko, Sproul and Ouelette ... who do you want to make it? Or who do you think will make it...and this is long term. I wont ask without giving my opinion... Oulette to me is expendable...small, left handed dman and unfortunately those dont fit our needs as talented as the kid may end up (which is why I'd trade him). Marchy looks the most ready at this time though he's also been given the most opportunity but I'd assume those go hand in hand. To me I just question his ceiling.....I see a guy who is solid and will give you what you expect...maybe a Brad Stuart type. To me Sproul is the most enticing with his size handedness and offensive ability... That guy is built to be a star...I'm not saying I watch GR games and follow our farm team religiously so you may be of a different opinion so please feel free!